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2007-11-05, 13:41
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There is no advantage over using Qiz anymore is there ?

Please confirm.
2007-11-05, 13:42
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it's only used for rerouting, when you want to lower/raise your ping

sometimes people watch qwd demos together over qizmo though, "qizmo night".

and qizmo is also used in ezquake (windows) to convert qwd -> qwz and vice versa.
2007-11-05, 13:58
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some people still use them for negotiating restrictive outgoing firewalls

e.g., at uni they were willing to open a couple of ports but not huge ranges, so we got 27500 and 28000 opened and then we could always connect via qizmo when the server was on a non-standard port

you can also run qizmo's using tcp on port 80 which allows people to get around really restrictive outgoing firewalls
2007-11-05, 21:23
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I use qizmo, rarely though
Custom maps for the show, episodes for the pro.
2007-11-05, 22:39
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that's true oldman, i use qizmo at home to play qw. though i don't play qw since ezq for mac doesn't like my swedish keyboard
2007-11-05, 23:23
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qizmo is used as cam on games.. so many ppl can watch the same game.
So i don't agree to empezar that it's only used for better ping and watching demos togeather
2007-11-05, 23:36
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Allows you to reduce traffic and turn on compression to reduce traffic even more.
2007-11-05, 23:40
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the question wasn't what it could do, but if anyone still uses it

does anyone use qizmo for compression? really?
2007-11-05, 23:59
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Down here in Australia, our internet companies sell packages that limit you to a certain amount of traffic per month (12gb, 20gb, etc.). I use qizmo compression so that quake doesnt chew into my monthly usage as much.
2007-11-06, 00:26
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empezar wrote:
the question wasn't what it could do, but if anyone still uses it

Sorry?
hickle wrote:
There is no advantage over using Qiz anymore is there?
2007-11-06, 22:32
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empezar wrote:
the question wasn't what it could do, but if anyone still uses it

does anyone use qizmo for compression? really?

I talked to some finnish you ~8months back...
He got 38ms without qizmo...
But running qizmo (localhost) with some compression gave him 25.
Looks interessting imo
2007-11-07, 07:21
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phrenic wrote:
empezar wrote:
the question wasn't what it could do, but if anyone still uses it

does anyone use qizmo for compression? really?

I talked to some finnish you ~8months back...
He got 38ms without qizmo...
But running qizmo (localhost) with some compression gave him 25.
Looks interessting imo

u need 2 qizmos 2 use compression right? Might have been that the other qizmo changed the routing to the server?
2007-11-07, 11:14
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qizmo will become obsolete when mvdsv have routing capabilities. As povohat said, it might be interesting providing mvdsv with packet compression also - especially for the "low cost" internet which come with tight downstream limits. TCP connect is also interesting but little used i think. is it *really* necessary?

And yes, you'll need to connect to 2 qizmos to enable routing capabilities. (duh?)

edit: forget the above. i meant: you'll need to connect to 2 qizmos to enable compression capabilities.
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2007-11-07, 11:49
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i think he was suggesting that the ping reduction was due to the change in routing rather than the compression
2007-11-07, 11:55
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mushi wrote:
And yes, you'll need to connect to 2 qizmos to enable routing capabilities. (duh?)

erm? You do need two qizmos to enable compression, but ONE is enough to change routing... But guess you are thinking right but writing it wrong

dunno what ur on about.
2007-11-07, 13:57
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mushi wrote:
qizmo will become obsolete when mvdsv have routing capabilities. As povohat said, it might be interesting providing mvdsv with packet compression also - especially for the "low cost" internet which come with tight downstream limits. TCP connect is also interesting but little used i think. is it *really* necessary?

And yes, you'll need to connect to 2 qizmos to enable routing capabilities. (duh?)

You only need to connect to 1 qizmo for routing to better ping.... daah.
2007-11-07, 14:19
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excuse me lads, my mistake.
i meant u need to connect to 2 qizmos to enable COMPRESSION.


<--- n00b

edit: let me add this: if that finnish guy had better ping with compression enabled, means that he has poor upload and/or download bandwidth. thus compression helps thus ping is reduced. (but even 64kbit/32kbit connection is/was enough to play quake with low pings so.... dunno)

in most cases compression doesnt improve ping. (as oldman stated above)

anyway, when mvdsv will have routing capabilities, qizmo will suffer badly. the 2 most used qizmo features will be obsolete (camming and routing by eztv and mvdsv itself).
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2007-11-07, 17:56
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Packet repeat helps to combat packet loss on poor connections. This increases bandwidth usage and then compression helps even on average ADSL line.

I prefer Qizmo sound also.

And, ofcourse:
.color */* x/x
2007-11-07, 18:59
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And what is qizmo sounds?
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