In dm3 it gives 6 spawn points, so it's not possible to assign a spawn point for every player on match start. The server mod has lots of options what to do in such case, and two major mods in QW have a bit different behavior
KTPro: delays the spawn for 7th and 8th player until a spawn points gets free (*); waiting is limited to 2 seconds, after that: telefrags
KTX: 2 telefrags will always happen; if telefragged players hit +attack/+jump quick enough, they can make another telefrags (and so on...); teamtelefrags do not cause -1 (on match start only); telefragging an enemy gets you +1 frag though

Which of the two you prefer? (If you don't see the poll, click this link)

I hope this is 100% correct description of the situation, feel free to correct me.
* not sure here if they wait for any first spawn point that gets free, or for one specific that was pre-selected for them

Prefer the delay of these two, but I rather try a spawn mode that spawns you next to the others or maybe that ghosted spawnmode even.

I prefer KTX ( Telefrags) mostly because I like the sound of teledth1.wav

telefrags are fun.

KTX mode!

Both are fine but I think I'd go for the KTX mode. Mostly because I agree with inter :\

Isn't telefrags the original way? I vote for that. I obsolutely hate the random spawn spots and delay isn't much better. Original qw respawns or what it's called is the way to go.

Normal QW respawns.

KTX respawn mode is similar with the exception of that you can't respawn in the same spot twice a row. All telefrags are allowed too without any delay (= no delay when other player is standing on the spawn).

With normal QW spawns, you can never telefrag unless ALL spawn points are occupied by players (in which case it picks out a random spot and telefrags mercilessly).

Ok, surprises me how many of you vote for random 0-4 frags advantage. Thanks for voting anyway.

After "original"/"normal" got associated with KTX spawns, KTPro got no votes.

what is +/- 2 frags when map control is at stake (which can be worth 100 frags on dm3).

IMO match start telefrags is a minor issue, and i prefer any solution that will not...

...move the spawn location
...delay any spawns (telefrag anyone, anywhere)
...use same spawn twice for a player, but random otherwise
...use different rules during start and game

and
telefrag enemy = 1 frag
telefrag teammate = -1 frag

Well, the main idea here is probably about making the game more smooth/enjoyable, which I can fully support. Someone suggested that players are to become non-solid for a few seconds at gamestart, and then gain the telefrag ability... maybe that's an idea.

That would introduce some weird situations that is to complicated to handle in a clean way.

At the moment it's
telefrag enemy = 1 frag
telefrag teammate = 0 frags
I'd go for 0/0 as I don't think players should be rewarded with frags for nothing.

i think thats the only reasonable way to go to remove unnecessary luck/bad luck. i wonder how many 1frag wins has been decided by that kind of luck?

Teleport-telefrags (and deflect) should score tho.

I meant match start only.

So to clarify:

Spawntelefrags = +- 0

For a set amount of time from gamestart or just the whole game? Or other?

Small clue in the thread topic =>

In my netQuake ClanArena mod this was a big issue.

various measures were used to dilute this problem:

a.> I added more spawn points to DM3 +4
b.> left takedamage flag set 0 until round start...
c.> removed spawn_tdeath when u 'match-start' spawn (this is the telefrag trigger)
d.> pushed the player forward after spawnning...

more counter measures were added since at times the player would stick to the spawn point...

hope this is useful to ya...


Edit: A telefrag would basically be a spawn delay for the guy who got tele-fucked...anyways.

Plz, no "telespawns" in duel on aero at start.

I could go for no frags for the start telefrags, because it doesn't change the way the start is played. However, some luck is always a part of any game, and I don't think it makes much sense to go to great lengths trying to "remove" it. Whoever gets the spawns for rl, ring+quad and penta has much more luck than someone getting 2 frags from a telefrag at the start.

As it is now!

shaga, you have the poll for voting, posts are to show some arguments and thoughts, not for simple "I am for A / B / C"

Well, I voted "Telefrags (KTX)" because I like that hazzle at the beginning of the map and some random frags. I get the 4on4 feeling because of it.