I voted for other alternate shaft model, as I go with this one: http://gfx.qwdrama.com/details/89/

Do not mistaken enhancing graphics with changes in the gameplay!

another shaft doesn't change the gameplay vegetous ...

Anyone who want's to keep this game alive and populair really... the way I see it, you need newbies in a gaming community.

Explain to me why it would be easier to play with straight shaft...
And I'm a newbie, and I didnt drop the game, instead I'm trying to understand it, and participate in the community.

As for herb, you're taking the 'it isn't realistic aproach' but this is quakeworld we are talking about, and therefore, your argument is invalid.

Terifire: Changing gameplay and QW wont be QW anymore.

Chaning models or graphics (as stated) is something completely different.

fog, I'm not saying it will change gameplay, I'm asking why people think it will change gameplay...

But if your logic says that changing the shaft model to straight will increase everyones shaft percentage by x percent, how is it then illogical to reduce shaft damage by y to re-balance the equation? (nicer feeling, same balance)

Or is it the fact that it's a step towards Q3 that makes it disgusting?

I think no one said it would be illogical, but then how will you be able to determine 'x' to begin with? As for the "step towards Q3", that indeed disgusts me.

Anyway i think particle shaft is good enough for the tweakers so... I dont care

how can you say the shaft changes qw gameplay (physics that is) ?

Keep shaft as it is [x]

"how will you be able to determine 'x' to begin with?"

Probably, like all other tweaks, it will have to be tested for a period of time, re-tweaked during that time, until it could be perfect

I'm, using, lots, of, commas, btw!

Lowering the shaft damage to 1 per cell doesn't change the physics either, but it sure would change the gameplay.

What's the difference between "Other alternate shaft model(specify in comment)" and "Alternate particle-shaft texture"?

"Other alternate shaft model" is a modified bolt2.mdl afaik.

Ok so majority wants straightshaft? Something like this? http://gfx.qwdrama.com/details/42/ Everyone is whining about it in other threads but the majority actually wants a modified straight bolt2 LOL

I say keep the old model and only allow particle shaft included in ezquake.

The textures used for the particle shaft can be modified so that you can get straight one again (haven't tested personally, but that's what they say). Maybe a texture checksum could be checked by f_modified, but well it'd a very new approach..

To chime in here... you guys unfortunately already went down the slippery slope when ezQuake decided to offer changes to RL particle and explosion effects.

Without the RL explosion it is easier to see hits. Should ezQuake take them out? Purists would say yes. Then again, purists would also say we should be forced to keep kickpitch on and have our weapon bob up and down (because by golly, that was the way quake was intended!) You get angry about straightshaft (a tweak to improve game), but in the same breath, you don't mind tweaking your config to remove kickpitch (another tweak to improve game). Where is the difference?

Should we force all players to use the exact same config so that everything is "fair"? I mean seriously, I'm at a disadvantage if you use fullbright skins and I don't. Or if you remove water effects so you can see clear in the water. Or you have a weapon config that allows for easy weapon switching. Shall I go on?

Noobs that don't know about fullbrights are at an immediate disadvantage from game 1. Is that "fair"?

Fair is an illusion. The whole purpose of a config is to customize your game so your setup works for you. It is not a "skill" to have to learn to ignore distracting parts of a game, when qw has grown options options to remove the distracting parts. Your argument is more like "we had to suffer through it, so so do you." That may have flown in 1999, but it doesn't in 2008. The game has drastically change from the original qw binary. Changed for the better, I think. More options = more choices.

As far as pros go, the only thing that really matters is that we pick a standard code to play from. Everyone gets ezQuake, and everyone has the same set of cfg options. It's up to you to figure out which settings work best for your game. Adding straightshaft just adds another option to the mix that already exists. All it means that there's one more feature you can decide to have on or off. For the people who love original shaft, adding straightshaft doesn't matter. And for those that want it, it's there.

To sum up, I don't see a difference between the game improvement you get with fullbright skins, lack of kickpitch, etc and the game improvement you may or may not get with straightshaft. It doesn't change anything about how the shaft actually works, and it doesn't make you better at the shaft if you already suck with it. It's a graphics option, just like every other ezQuake graphics option.

FTE particle system so people can make their own shaft

Good support for mac users

Just (real) simple items...