From what I understood the next version of flash player will allow for hardware gpu acceleration.
The demonstration of quake starts at 5:05.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hX-Uh3oTcE

no way that sounds freakin awsome , imagine what people will be able to do with that?!

this is pretty pointless by now
you can already embed a 3D application in a browser and don't have to run a gimped Flash version

check out the games over @ http://instantaction.com (including Falling Empires: Legion - Tribes spiritual sequel.. rox!)
or Quake Live if you have beta access

I disagree. Having to install a bunch of web components to run a browser based game is a pain and many people simply won't do it. Being able to run a full 3d application within a flash environment means instant access for virtually anyone with an internet connection.

Not only that, but porting an existing game source to actionscript would be much easier than rewriting it to run in a brower. I think qw would get a LOT more exposure if it could be ran from a browser, but so far I haven't seen any ezQuake devs jumping at the idea. This new flash player could change that.

The people would still need to have the pak1.pak somewhere.
"Running from a browser" has been possible with Java for years (and it will be loading faster in Windows soon/now).
ezQuake supports qw:// links that launch it from inside the browser.

*virtually anyone with an internet connection who has downloaded a propriety web component called Flash

No meez, virtually anyone: http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/version_penetration.html

Actually meez, Flash comes pre-installed on almost all new machines and web browsers. The last time I had to download and install a new web component to play a flash game was........never.

Here's the point I'm trying to make: a game that runs in flash is better because everyone already has it (at least everyone that matters), and wouldn't be required to install anything else in order to play it.

Put yourself in a publisher's position. If you wanted your browser game to get as much exposure as possible, would you rather force your visitors to install some new web component from a developer they've never heard of, or have it run completely within flash (a component they should already have), with no browser dependence whatsoever?

Now, just in case my point still isn't clear, observe the following:


enter site ---> play game

IS BETTER THAN

enter site ---> install whatever activex component ---> play game


You don't have to be a marketing genius to know that fewer steps equals more conversions. This means that more people will play your game if they don't have to install anything first. Now, if this still doesn't make sense, then you should probably kill yourself.

I think that http://alternativaplatform.com/en/demos/bunker/ shows nicely how at least a spectating experience could look like. It is playable aswell but probably performs poor compared to a nativ application.

nice but i can't seem to find rl.

After you, for forgetting about the need for pak1.pak.

My response was to Aqua who said the new features in flash 10 were pointless, and to meez for being a smug jerk Besides, whether or not you can port qw doesn't make gfx acceleration in flash any less useful. My point still stands, so go ahead and kill yourself.

And to address your point, what's wrong with having qw shareware available for people to play?

Doesn't stop it from being a propriety web component called Flash does it? I don't mind if developers use this as a solution, but I doubt it's the best direction for Quakeworld.

Plus adobe will probably wait a few years before releasing linux builds like always.

someone should just make a custom non-copyrighted pak1 with some new models/sounds/and some of the TONS of the custom maps there is.. atleast there will be a free MULTIPLAYER version of qw.
with the mass of talented artists and what not i dont think this is that impossible no?


...all it takes i guess is for ppl to let go of their pressious "faithful".. or just stick with their originals instead of the flash version.

That dream has been dreamt a million times.

There would be no reason for any QW player to change, QW is fine, there would be no advantage for a QW player to use a "browser" thing.
Also, nQuake is pretty much the cream on the top of what is possible legally. Installing it takes 2-3 minutes for me (on Linux).

Using the shareware to create something "standalone" is not allowed.

for established players, sure there is no reason...
but if you want more NEW players fast.. i think a flash version on a webpage is far superior than installing ezquake and set everything up.


after a while people who like the game will probably "graduate" to the standalone, superior version.


its win win.

I don't see your point. How is the IA, ActiveX, or whatever solution not proprietary? While Flash is kind of a quasi standard by now with good market penetration that works cross-platform, i.e. not that bad, IA is far from it. Both have "that" one drawback and you use it to speak against one of both solutions.

Edit: I'm not a Flash evangelist btw.

Yeah, it's a proprietary web component that EVERYONE ALREADY HAS. Therefore, it would be a better direction than any other web component that people would have to install in order to use. Are you trying to be difficult or what? Also, you don't think being able to play a game from a browser window would help in attracting new players? Please explain.

In my opinion the only real sense of using flash is like what is shown in that flash 10 presentation already: playing dem/qwd/mvd's in a browser based environment, what would be some kind of nice, watching qw demos from places without qw installed... and therefore you could use free stuff instead of the proprietary parts of qw, since watching demos is not about playing and so not about cheating and whining about cheating (well, not always / most of the time, and the other time you could use the original files with your favorite client ) :S

sincerly

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It still is a component you need to download. You're getting so mad explaining how it isnt that it's funny.

Doom on Flash10 (i haven't bothered to try it)

Sweet, but in my browser it runs slower than Doom2 on GBA...

Flash performance for this stuff isn't quite stellar
that's why my first post still stands

Quake Live runs almost flawless..