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Member 386 posts
Registered: Apr 2006
Are +movedown and +moveup banned intentionally, or is it an oversight? I use movedown all the time in water and have been unable to do so since I downloaded the nightly build tonight.
Member 1435 posts
Registered: Jan 2006
Thanks for noticing Stev, was a bug. Tomorrow's nightly build will have it fixed.
Member 1754 posts
Registered: Jan 2006
This will result in higher bunny/running speeds and better dodging as described above in this thread, benefitting worse players "considerably" more than the better players. So they can cheat at pov(sort of) with this Imo this doesn't need to be banned, I doubt one could spot this ingame anyway.
Member 462 posts
Registered: Jan 2006
I partly agree, aimbot does everything for you, while this script/feature does only certain part for you automatically, which is "releasing" the opposite direction at perfect timing making your turn perfect, thus losing the minimum amount of speed possible. This will result in higher bunny/running speeds and better dodging as described above in this thread, benefitting worse players "considerably" more than the better players. Automating some things makes the game more playable and lets the player concentrate on the essential. Weapon scripts switch weapons automatically combining the switch and +attack into one single action. Not much different from combining release and new direction into a single action. If you ban the former it raises the question why not ban the latter. If we need to start switching weapons manually, I quit.
Moderator 1329 posts
Registered: Apr 2006
If we need to start switching weapons manually, I quit. Bla bla bla, noone is interested in ultimatums, especially when it's something other than described earlier. I can as easily say I quit running servers and QTV and doing anything for QW and the scene if you don't do this and that.
Member 251 posts
Registered: Jul 2007
If blAze quits, I quit too!
Administrator 1864 posts
Registered: Feb 2006
blAze never quits... and neither do you... eod!
Member 462 posts
Registered: Jan 2006
Bla bla bla, noone is interested in ultimatums, especially when it's something other than described earlier. I can as easily say I quit running servers and QTV and doing anything for QW and the scene if you don't do this and that. Heh. I just meant it in the way that I totally understand if someone is really used to playing with this style of strafing and suddenly it gets banned they may feel it's the last straw.
Member 61 posts
Registered: Jul 2007
K fuck it , iam shure what i know
Member 1435 posts
Registered: Jan 2006
Can you provide us with your script that you claim still works?
News Writer 646 posts
Registered: Mar 2006
you should team up with apollyon and make queens of the qw stoneage tribute client. now to the more objective part. that script has been around for years (first fuhquake release) so 'they' are not changing qw once again. and please dont drag milton into that mudpile , he will beat the living shit out of anyone(insert exceptions i am not aware of at the moment) even if they use the script. and while were at it, (for the people out there whos human factor does not allow them to sense sarcasm, sarcasm on) 1. remove the ocrana leds they were added to make reading messages easier they took out the human factor: reading capabilities! OMFG. 2. r_drawflat/gl_max_size oh sweet baby jesus its all brown! 3. rgb colored teamskins, please someone find me that color in the quake pallete. in case you didnt get it people see in different contrasts. 4. (team|enemy)(quad|pent)skins !?!!!!!111einseins (sarcasm off) lets even take it further, what about short sighted people? do glasses count as a semi aimbot now because you can identifiy your targets easier?
but lets make a practiacal example by using your mathmagic map: dm4 players: milton vs someoneusingthescript(lets call him zoner from here on) - milton killed zoner in the mh room - zoner spawns at tele top now without the script zoner would try to get the lg dieing before reaching it thats zoner: -1, milton: +1 = 2 with zoner using the script zoner would reach the lg, but he would still die leaving extra cells thats zoner: -1(again), milton: +3(the extra cells which could, roughly, kill a fresh spawned zoner 2 times) = 4 (oh shit dawg stop using the script milton has an advantage!)
the ability to reach items fast only is a valid point if people are already at a certain level(which is quite high) at which the script wont help anymore.
quakeworld has been changed over and over alot, bunnyhopping in general has been made easier too. and just because you would like to keep sucking at strafing do not force other people to do the same.
bottom line is good players would not care because they would still win.
i hereby apologize to milton for making him part of my argumentation How can I vote for the above post to be included as the first verse in the Holy Bible?
Member 61 posts
Registered: Jul 2007
K fuck it , iam shure what i know
Member 1435 posts
Registered: Jan 2006
Ok, could you then send it to my email jan.raszyk@gmail.com ? I'd appreciate it, thnx.
Member 401 posts
Registered: Mar 2006
I am a proud "allow_scripts 0" player
Member 122 posts
Registered: Jan 2007
Ok, here is my script, that should be banned(?): alias +axe "+attack %1; impulse 1; r_drawviewmodel 1" alias -axe "-attack %1; impulse 2; r_drawviewmodel 0" alias +shotgun "+attack %1; impulse 3 2" alias -shotgun "-attack %1" alias +boom1 "+attack %1; impulse 2" alias -boom1 "-attack %1" alias +grenade "+attack %1; impulse 6 2" alias -grenade "-attack %1" alias +nail "+attack %1; impulse 5 4 3 2" alias -nail "-attack %1" alias +rock "+attack %1; impulse 7 8 5 4 3 2" alias -rock "-attack %1" alias +shaft "+attack %1; impulse 8 7 5 4 3 2; fov 90; sensitivity 10"// v_viewheight 0" alias -shaft "-attack %1; fov 120; sensitivity 20"// v_viewheight -7 bind v "+nail" bind i "+boom1" bind y "+boom1" bind l "+axe" bind MOUSE1 "+rock" bind MOUSE2 "+shaft" bind MOUSE3 "+grenade" bind MOUSE4 "+shotgun" bind MOUSE5 "+nail" It allows me to switch to another weapon without worring about releasing button of the previous weapon. Just like the strafe script (that I use as well at the moment :-) ). -- "Dag eats little Reloads for breakfast." (c) :-)
Member 1435 posts
Registered: Jan 2006
No, only movement commands (+moveleft +forward +left ...) are affected
Member 122 posts
Registered: Jan 2007
Me config does the same to weapons that +moveleft script does to movement, only there is more then 2 buttons. The magic %1 makes the difference. -- "Dag eats little Reloads for breakfast." (c) :-)
Administrator 2059 posts
Registered: Jan 2006
Ok, here is my script, that should be banned(?): alias +axe "+attack %1; impulse 1; r_drawviewmodel 1" alias -axe "-attack %1; impulse 2; r_drawviewmodel 0" alias +shotgun "+attack %1; impulse 3 2" alias -shotgun "-attack %1" alias +boom1 "+attack %1; impulse 2" alias -boom1 "-attack %1" alias +grenade "+attack %1; impulse 6 2" alias -grenade "-attack %1" alias +nail "+attack %1; impulse 5 4 3 2" alias -nail "-attack %1" alias +rock "+attack %1; impulse 7 8 5 4 3 2" alias -rock "-attack %1" alias +shaft "+attack %1; impulse 8 7 5 4 3 2; fov 90; sensitivity 10"// v_viewheight 0" alias -shaft "-attack %1; fov 120; sensitivity 20"// v_viewheight -7 bind v "+nail" bind i "+boom1" bind y "+boom1" bind l "+axe" bind MOUSE1 "+rock" bind MOUSE2 "+shaft" bind MOUSE3 "+grenade" bind MOUSE4 "+shotgun" bind MOUSE5 "+nail" It allows me to switch to another weapon without worring about releasing button of the previous weapon. Just like the strafe script (that I use as well at the moment :-) ). I think ezQuake already works like this, at least my install does. :S Or is it necessary to have it like this for the fov/sensitivity/etc to change when pressing two fire buttons? www.facebook.com/QuakeWorld
Member 122 posts
Registered: Jan 2007
Ok, I'll explane:
In scriptless QW imagine a situation: I hold down RL button, press and hold down LG button -- RL will stop firing and LG will start firing. Now while still holding LG button down I release RL button. Bah... I stop shooting from anything. I.e. LG button is pressed but no shooting. Just tested that in ezQuake 1.9.2.
With my script (donated by Tonik BTW) I can release RL button and LG won't stop firing.
Isn't it the like the thing that movement script does? -- "Dag eats little Reloads for breakfast." (c) :-)
Member 357 posts
Registered: Nov 2008
Yes, but the movement script gives you an advantage of speed, that weapon script isnt any advantage imo. What ezQuake movement script blocks is aliases, or scripts including (+moveleft +forward +left ...) because they are used for strafe scripting aid and automatic rocketjumping, that gives advantege in speed and heigh. "the quieter you become, the more you are able to hear"
Member 370 posts
Registered: May 2006
If you remove weapon scripts, I quit. This is a shooter game, not a typewriting exercise. <333333 Custom maps for the show, episodes for the pro.
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