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Member 93 posts
Registered: Apr 2006
Looking for a good flat screen monitor please. Also, what should I look for when buying a flat screen when it comes to quake?
Moderator 1329 posts
Registered: Apr 2006
Moved to better forum. Considering QW, you basically need to look for: 1) Very low or zero input lag (video lag) 2) Properly working 75Hz refreshrate Both features are hard to come by in a single package. TFTs usually have input lag (or video lag) but there are certain models that have very little of it, or even almost zero. The other problem is the refrershrate: most of the TFTs can actually display 75Hz but only very few of them do so WITHOUT skipping every fifth frame that makes the monitor actually capable of only 60Hz (75/5*4=60Hz). The response time these days means nothing, however you might want to get TFT with RTC (an overdrive) that removes most of the ghosting. However overdrives have tendency to add unwanted "overdrive artifacting" to the screen that can be perceived as halo rings around moving objects or inverted ghosting colors. What it means is that moving objects might have a glow around them, or in the other case when black object flies through light grey background you'll get a ghost image of that object that is actually colored white and not black. There are some models that do this perfectly but they are the minority. Without an overdrive the response time is always 10ms+ and causes somewhat visible ghosting (but with no RTC artifacts). You should check Prad.de (english), WSGFWiki and finally Anandtech LCD Buyer's Guide
Member 231 posts
Registered: Jan 2006
Syncmaster t220 is "good" for qw. Its no crt screen, but still very nice imo.
Member 93 posts
Registered: Apr 2006
@Renzo: thanks for that details reply. So what are the technical terms I should be looking at online if I cannot test the monitor? max refresh rate and input lag?
@jon: those monitors are like £350! will I really need to spend that much to get a good flat screen?!
Member 93 posts
Registered: Apr 2006
actually I have seen them cheap on ebay. Is that a good monitor to go for then? (Syncmaster t220)
Member 355 posts
Registered: Jun 2006
If you can find a Viewsonic VX922 in decent quality, I highly recommend it. You can probably find a mint condition one on EBay for no more than 125£.
Member 231 posts
Registered: Jan 2006
If you can find a Viewsonic VX922 in decent quality, I highly recommend it. You can probably find a mint condition one on EBay for no more than 125£. Thats no widescreen And yes Serox, its good. I use it at 1152x854@75 hz - 600 fps, smooth enough for me (not as smooth as crt ofcouse, but i like the feeling and big display)
Moderator 1329 posts
Registered: Apr 2006
LG Flatron L227WT seems a very good choice regarding input lag AND non-existing overdrive effects. However what's unclear to me that if it supports 75Hz refreshrate without the frameskip. The cost is a bit above 200 euros too so it's not too pricey either.
Member 401 posts
Registered: Mar 2006
I have Benq E2400HD 24" 16:9. Its awesome with 0 input lag. Not as smooth as my 19" CRT but still good. fov 117 > fov 102 ;-)
Moderator 1329 posts
Registered: Apr 2006
I have Benq E2400HD 24" 16:9. Its awesome with 0 input lag. Not as smooth as my 19" CRT but still good. fov 117 > fov 102 ;-) It has input lag.
Member 3 posts
Registered: Feb 2009
Hi. New here but not in QW. From what i know (and was diggin in lately) the only LCD monitor with no input lag (and affordable price) is Samsung SM2493HM. LG L227WT is almost the same as L226WTQ. I've got this one and it sucks in games as fast as QW. http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2008/review-samsung-2493hm-part16.html#Responsiveness http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=2049206
Member 229 posts
Registered: Aug 2007
I like this Benq E2200HD 22" 16:9 also for gaming.. TEAM QUAD [need nothing] shaga loses another friend shaga discovers blast radius QUAD
Member 93 posts
Registered: Apr 2006
The Benq E2200HD 22" are quite cheap.
Can you confirm what refresh rates you can achieve and does it have lag etc
Thanks guys!
Member 92 posts
Registered: Aug 2007
I was thinking about LCD monitor around month. Finally I purchased a Samsung 2053BW two weeks ago. Works nice with 75Hz up to 1440x900 through DVI and i can't notice any frameskip. Besides that it's a really nice monitor. IMO 1680x1050 looks better on a 20" than on 22" screen. After calibration colors are ok for me (both in RTC and normal mode, so i use RTC all the time). Previously i was using an IBM P76 (CRT) and i don't miss it at all. http://www.hardware.info/en-US/productdb/bGRkZpiVmJXKY8g/viewproduct/Samsung_SyncMaster_2053BW_LS20AQWJFV/# http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/monitors/print/20inch-6.html
Moderator 1329 posts
Registered: Apr 2006
The Benq E2200HD 22" are quite cheap.
Can you confirm what refresh rates you can achieve and does it have lag etc
Thanks guys! It has input lag like I already mentioned (it is the same monitor as E2400HD but in smaller size). It also has the same panel as G2400WD/E2400HD so it also has input lag of 0-16ms (averaging ~8ms) and can display only 60Hz properly (well, afaik).
Member 401 posts
Registered: Mar 2006
Anand says NO http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=3449&p=8 I believe Anand not some dodgy German site. And if it has input lag its probably less than Viewsonic VX922. VX9222 is OOOLLLLLDDDDD. LCD technology has improved since then. Might as well play on 19" CRT.
Moderator 1329 posts
Registered: Apr 2006
The reference Monitor is an HP LP3065, which we have found to be one of the best LCDs we currently possess in terms of not having display lag. The comparison was made against another TFT screen while prad.de (experts on the TFT testing, unlike anandtech people, their experties are elsewhere) compared to CRT screen. So the earlier statement still stands: It has input lag.
Member 401 posts
Registered: Mar 2006
The reference Monitor is an HP LP3065, which we have found to be one of the best LCDs we currently possess in terms of not having display lag. The comparison was made against another TFT screen while prad.de (experts on the TFT testing, unlike anandtech people, their experties are elsewhere) compared to CRT screen. So the earlier statement still stands: It has input lag. Yeah I know all LCDs do. But as far as I'm concerned it doesn't exist because I don't notice it. I just upgraded from a CRT and I don't notice it. On the other hand I have an advantage over 4:3 users because of much higher fov. 16:9 ftw.
Moderator 1329 posts
Registered: Apr 2006
Well perhaps I was a bit unclear too. I have G2400WD that uses the same panel and has the same input lag, varying from 0ms to 16ms averaging somewhere around 7 or 8ms, and it is not noticeable. However the 60Hz effect is, that's why these 60Hz monitors "suck" in qw.
Member 401 posts
Registered: Mar 2006
Well perhaps I was a bit unclear too. I have G2400WD that uses the same panel and has the same input lag, varying from 0ms to 16ms averaging somewhere around 7 or 8ms, and it is not noticeable. However the 60Hz effect is, that's why these 60Hz monitors "suck" in qw. I sort of agree. I wouldn't say they suck for qw but I definitely see a bit of ghosting in qw but not in other games.
Member 29 posts
Registered: Jan 2006
I use BenQ 22" LCD E2200HD TCO03.
1920 x 1080 2ms repsonse time 75 hz 1949:- (swedish money)
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