What is considered a spawnfrag in DM? 1on1, 2on2, 4on4, ffa...

For midair, this should of course be 1 second, but for the rest?

This poll is a request from KTX development team, before they make any changes on what is considered a spawnfrag, they want to hear what the community thinks.

i think the defenitions of spawnfragg isnt about time, its more about what weapon/armors you picked up since you spawned. ex. Its very often someone spawn at ra/tele on dm3, and goes all the way to YA and then you get killed. And i call that a spawnfragg(if you goe strait to me).

yeah weapons do make a difference

i'd say 4-5 seconds IF the killed player didn't pick up any (good) weapons or armor..

if you idle for 1min before comming to me, thats a spawnfrag too. if your gear is totaly freash

that's more a freefrag than a spawnfrag imo

nah,
a freefrag is someone who suck, someone you kill easilly even if he have 200/250 RL, LG and spawned 2 secs ago.
thats the way i see it.

what about this

killed within 4 seconds = spawnfrag, IF the killed player did not pick up SNG, GL, RL, LG, GA, YA or RA?
killed within 1 second = spawnfrag no matter what the killed player picked up

for me it is when you frag someone that didnt get any wpn.
but in midair, its not 4 seconds bc in 4 sec you get down to the ground, so a midair spawn frag must be more like when you dont even get a shoot on your enemy that could had thrown him out of position..

yeah in ktx when i play 2on2 i usually check the teams "killed rls" stats to see what team got the most REAL kills

IMHO a spawnfrag is kill someone just after he spawn. If he moves or if he stays there for a long (and with "long" I say 2~3 seconds) period then it's not a spawfrag anymore.

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You should tell the reason why the team wants to hear what the community has to say because imo most of the players use the definition spawnfrag rather widely.I bet 98% would consider the frags as spawnfrags if the frags are due to a maplock for example you control low rl and tele in 2on2 @ dm2 and both of the opponents are dead.

A spawnfrag for me is for example on dm3 in 4on4 when u hold YA and someone spawns and u kill him within 2-3 secs before he has the CHANCE of getting anything, or if you're controlling telly at dm2 and manages to kill the guy before he slips through or grabs the ya.

I wouldnt consider it a spawnfrag if I at dm6 held RA and a guy spawns Ra-Tunnel, I shoot a rock but he doesnt die, he goes backwards, get the helath and comes back only to die, that's not a spawnfrag, just a combination of my bad aim and the opponent's very bad move.

2 seconds

That's just camping RA isn't it :E

Spawnfrag to me is lobbing a gren into GL spawn site on dm6, spawn u die

if you spawn the button in tele dm2, it takes roughly 3 seconds to get to the ya opening

yes, why do you want to know this, is this because of spawnmodes or wtf ?

1 second tops! :]

i wanted to change the spawnfrag stat in KTX to include frags within 2 seconds, and the developers wanted to know what the community wanted before changing it

This depends on maps etc. For example if you spawn sng on dm3 and walk to tele and die at hill. That might take 3-4s. I consider that a spawnfrag. However if you spawn at big room dm2 and jumps to rl and gets killed. I dont consider that a spawnfrag.

I guess this is for stats. I would say under 4s and you cant pick up anything. This will miss some spawnfrags at rl-dm3 and if you pick up some armor and gets killed by quad.

I think this thread emphasizes that there is no true definition. It's all opinion.. and it varies too much depending on situation/map.

so far it's 29% on 1 second and 71% on 2 seconds or more

Or just say that killing any player who has only a shotgun, is a spawnfrag.

I don't think time really factors into it, if they haven't gotten a proper gun yet they aren't much of a threat to anyone.

For stats it may also be worth considering that any battle involving only one player having GL/RL/LG is inevitably a very pitched battle, and may be worth counting as a separate category from GL/RL/LG fights (I.E. properly armed players).

However armor and megahealth also play a huge factor in combat, many kills are between an armored GL/RL/LG player and another player who has no armor/megahealth (whether they have a gun or not, they usually die from the first shot), but I don't know how that would factor into stats, it all gets very complicated beyond the basics like spawnfrags.

I assume when you say this you mean he has only IT_SHOTGUN and hasn't picked up any armour / megahealth