for me spawnfrag would be if you killed the guy before he leaves the spawn area + like 300pixels around it, in like 2 seconds...

4s and you can't pick any gun, health or armor.

spawnfrag rules were changed in KTX today to 2 seconds instead of 1

hehe, seems fair

only time being consider?

yes, only time

No I don't actually think armor/megahealth makes that big a difference when the player has IT_AXE | IT_SHOTGUN, these weapons are so pathetic they have no chance of winning in combat against an RL outside of extraordinary situations, no matter what their armor/megahealth is. I'm judging by their ability to win a fight.

qqshka, nice.

Then you need to get a better sg aim my friend
Ofcourse you can do alot with sg, especially if you got ssg. RL's are to be killed by SG's eventually if they dont keep their health and armor up, say that one rl guys holding a pos and 3 guys spam him with shotgun, he'll die pretty quick.
Notice that if you hit fully with a SG it will deal 25 damage to a player without armor. if he has a weak armor and you have mega chances of taking him down is quite fair.

Winning any duel is always possible with enough skill and time, I am judging more by probable outcome in fair fights, and if it's not 1on1 then the main focus is on racking up frags, so wasting your time dueling with another player using a shotgun (which kills slower than an RL) is not a good tactic to top the scoreboard.

Apologies for being unusually blunt, but the ignorance in that statement leads me to say:

BOLLLLOOOOOOOOOCKS.

Ever heard of flooding? Ever heard of not being frag-horny, but rather doing stuff for the team? Plz, just plz...

"What is considered a spawnfrag"

I have the answer: UI!

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Heh....

i consider it a spawn frag when you don't even have a chance to move

Your post would be contributing to the discussion if you talked about a duel and not a teamgame, since that's what LordHavoc obviously is refering to.

Empezar: I think spawnfragging can't be totally time-dependent, take dm2 for example where you have many cases of a player running around for a while until he dies from a gren/rl in water-ya area. I'd say 4 secs of time combined with no weapon or armor taken.

Empezar already suggest more compicated way for determining spawn frag, i'm not agree with this.

Spawn frag is just when u die after press respawn button after short time, something instant, not more not less.

Not agreed, for example take dm2 nmy rl camping at tele entrance area. You can spawn at tele/ng/water and don't die for 10 seconds but its still a free spawnfrag.

but still, 2 seconds is better than ktpro's 1 second