Tournaments
Link  /  30 Nov 2024, 14:50
EQL23 and QWSL2
I'm writing this to say my thoughts on these two upcoming tournaments, make suggestions and obviously some others will have opinions as well. So speak out.
First of all i think it is important that our goal should be to have as large playerbase as possible, that are playing 4on4, not only mixes, but tournaments/leagues as well.

There are a lot of qw players who, for various reasons, don't play in 4on4 tournaments.

Some reasons are:

- Want clans
- Want draft
- Not pleased with the maps
- Don't like unbalanced teams/divisions

I think we are losing out on a lot of players, players of all skill levels; div0 players and also low-skilled/rookies. Every different tournament/league got a different set of players. I guess that's fine, but not optimal, if you want more players.

In my opinion i think EQL should go back to tb3 only. Then leave the customs for QWSL. Why? I think it will generate more players and more teams, to both leagues. Also i think its a map issue. Tb3 will always be the standard maps for 4on4 and EQL is the biggest 4on4 league we got.

I also think that the lowest division in each league should be draft. Low tier teams/clans are too few at the moment, the playerbase is certainly there but they are not making clans and not signing up. EQL div3 now consists of 4 draft teams (RR), two team2 teams: GF and DC + 2 teams who really should be in div2 (DP and FU). Without the draft teams from RR there wouldn't be a div3 for FU and DP to crush in. Div3 consists of about 45 players and over 20 of those should be in div2. Oh you will have a hard time in div2? From the rest of the div3 players: Fuck you.

You got the same situation in QWSL div2. You basicly got FU and 5 draft teams. Also you got some players here who really belong in QWSL div1 when it comes to customs maps.

Tb3 and custom maps
EQL tb3 only? Why not? Tb3 should bring back some old timers and a better div1 and div2 in general. There are always a lot of players who come back when its a tb3 only. That's just how it is.

The custom maps always brought the 4on4 scene to argue and debate. Maps are always a matter of opinions no matter what arguments ppl throw out there. History has taught us that no matter how shitty or how good a map is in the eye of the beholder (again in your personal opinion), ppl will A-L-W-A-Y-S have different views on what map they want to play. Even some tb3'ers think that one tb3 map is a necessary evil lol. So it do not matter how the map is or what your opinion is, there is no spoon, its only in your mind.

And this one of the reasons why schloss, who came out 2004, took 20 years for even tb3'ers to say: "ok we can play this now". The other reason is: they didn't play it enough to learn it, coz they never play in custom tournaments. This is also the reason i don't listen to such players in a map debate. You listen to the players who actually played the map a certain number of times. Anything else is just useless whine.

For the reasons above the holy path to tb5 is useless in my eyes, it has not worked for 20 years so why should it work now? Because admins force it? So why didn't admins force it before? Useless admins?

Some might say we need EQL to be 5 maps because they want variation. Hello? What variation? Tb3+2 is your variation from what? Tb3 only? I guess variation is valued in different ways. Some also says to me we need tb3 + 4 or tb3 + 6, which will ofc never in our timeage fly with hardcore tb3'ers; they wont play.

Some will always play no matter what maps you throw in a league, atm we got many players who play in both EQL and QWSL, at the same time we got 3 duel tours going, so the argument "too many tournaments" can just go to hell, that's complete BS. All tours on schedule ffs!

To conclude: If you really need to play a custom map or two, why you need to play it alongside tb3? Why not play in 2 leagues? I agree QWSL got too many maps to handle for some (yet some like it or don't care), but if EQL and QWSL could work together and separate tb3 and customs, i am sure QWSL could make a system that would reduce the number of maps and at the same time give some freedom to give you your preferred custom. If there is something that suck more than not play tb3, it is to not get to play your beloved custom.

In short:

Separate tb3 and customs, make draft for the lowest div.

I am sure this will bring more players and teams, to both leagues.

Peace.
Comments
2024-11-30, 16:41
I'd like to add something but Link claims I suck so fuck you .
2024-11-30, 17:14
stop drinking
2024-12-02, 02:10
Very good thinking of you Link 🙏
2024-12-02, 08:42
tb3 to the people!
2024-12-05, 13:50
Agreed, seperate the tourneys, one with tb3 and one with the shitty custom maps
2024-12-09, 08:48
"In my opinion i think EQL should go back to tb3 only. Then leave the customs for QWSL. Why? I think it will generate more players and more teams, to both leagues. Also i think its a map issue. Tb3 will always be the standard maps for 4on4 and EQL is the biggest 4on4 league we got."

This is a dead end. TB3 will never be the future of QW TDM, as proven in many of the previous iterations of EQL. Division 1 will eventually stagnate and die, because the skill difference between the clans only increase. In an environment like that, everyone loses motivation.

I understand that people prefer the TB3-maps and dislike new maps. Itīs a very natural thing. New maps are not QW to them, and they are very vocal about it. However, the ratio of players who want TB3+something is too great nowadays to keep it at TB3 only.

So, letīs not run the experiment of killing division 1 completely again. Letīs build upon the success that EQL22 was for both players and spectators.
2024-12-09, 10:58
Also, this article is an opinion peace rather than news and should probably be posted under the forum or in a blog post.
2024-12-18, 18:24
Even though I personally prefer tb3, for most of the time,I think the current tb5 (Schloss and Phantombase) is a great middle ground.

Having said that: a new great 4on4 map is always welcome

/J
2024-12-18, 18:25
And btw eql 22 was a great success in my book.

/J
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